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John
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jcbff |
Which UL Rod In Which Situations? |
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I have read several posts here, from those of you fortunate enough to own several different UL outfits. Some of you fish with a 000 wt., 1 wt., 2 wt., and 3
wt.. I love it! I recently bought a Sage TXL 1 wt., and for some unknown reason, I now think I might need a 000 wt. to go with it. When you go afield, what
dertermines which rod you will use that day? Does the 000 wt. do something better than the 1 wt.? Is it just more fun, or is there some logic behind your
choice? This could get seriously expensive if I buy the rod first and then try to figure out why I did it.
Help! John |
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jkurtz7 |
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I use 2wt and 3wt rods myself as that is all that I currently own. I will add a 1wt at some point. I don't see myself going below a 1wt though. Being a
panfish angler that fishes for crappie as well as sunfish, the crappie are more likely to take streamers. I can still throw small weighted streamers well into
a bit of wind with a 2wt.
J.
The Ultralight Fly Fishing Forum
Ultralight Fly Fisherman, and small stream specialist. NE Ohio, Mahoning River Watershed. |
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Zenkoanhead.clarksclassicfl... |
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I was impressed with that TXL 1 weight, not so much with the lighter ones. There isn't a heck of a lot of difference between 000 and 1 weight in the same
rod model and length.
One of my car rods is a Dan Craft 6'10" 1 weight so I always have it handy. My other car rod is the 6'6" Sears glass 6 weight. I try to pay some addition to the wind and other conditions and take along a couple of rods that will suit the day. I don't like to beat myself up casting a rod that is over-light for the conditions. If there I am casting into the wind or need to get out to 60+, I try to plan accordingly. I hate to discourage conspicuous consumption John, but between your new 6'9" cane and the TXL you have the UL world pretty well covered. I might think about a good 2, if I were in your shoes. Don |
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jdub |
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John, you're welcome to try my 00 wt TXL, but if I was you I'd go for something other than a 000 wt for your next UL rod. Your 1 wt TXL is an amazing
rod for a second UL I'd go with something like a shorter 2 or 3 wt just to mix it up a little. The big difference you'll see between your 1 wt TXL and
a 000 wt TXL is that yours will be able to handle a tiny bit more wind and some very slightly larger flies. That's about it I think (someone will correct
me if I'm wrong).
I have the 7'10" 00 wt and an Orvis 7'6" Superfine 1 wt, but the action on them is very different so they feel a lot different than your 1 wt TXL would feel compared to a 000 wt TXL. Maybe you should try a medium action shorter 3 wt. I love the fiberglass one I built up but it's probably shorter than most people would want at 5'10". A 6'6" or 7' rod might be good. Or you could go the other way and get a 8'9" or 9' 3 wt. That Thomas & Thomas 9' 3 wt of Don's is so smooth it will break your heart, and Les has a Sage 8'9" that's faster (more my style) but a very smooth and powerful rod. We just all need to meet up again and bring some more rods for you to try. If you, Don, Les, and I get together we should be able to come up with a dozen rods for you to sample in 00 through 3 wt. It's always a blast to do something like that too. BTW, I wished you would have posted this a few days ago. I just sold a fantastic Sage SLT 8'3" 3 wt that was an incredible rod--for $265! Jerry |
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jcbff |
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Thanks for the responses guys. I actually own an older Scott G 883/3 that I haven't used in a long time. I got down on longer rods after being unsuccessful
casting a long 5 wt.. I sold the 5 wt. but kept the 3. I really love the way the TXL handles and thought a 000 wt. might be even better. I might need to just
get you guys to help me find the right line for the 3 wt. Scott G. It is suppose to compare favorably with a Sage LL 389. John
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Sasha |
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jcbff wrote: Well for me it was a matter of I wanted the rod. I started off my UL fly fishing with an Orvis 1WT. This rod is a good rod and I have a lot of fun with it. I actually wanted a 00 or 000 TXL but my wife got me the 1WT as a Father's Day gift. She said she could not remember what rod I wanted so she looked at some of my other rods to see what brand I had and went to the Orvis shop. The guy behind the counter told her that Orvis did not make a 00 or 000WT rod but they did make a 1WT so she went with it. Understand something about me though. My passion in this hobby/ addiction/ passion/ sport whatever you want to call it is fishing small off of the beaten path creeks and streams for wild trout on dry flies. Other people have other interests in this sport. The nice thing is that this sport has something for everyone. So for me I wanted what I believed was the best tool for the job and the one that would maximize my pleasure. So I chose the 000WT rod based on that reason. I did opt for a LA reel with a good drag system though as I did want to fish the rod for larger trout as well. Does my 1WT do the same things? Yes it does, I however find the fish on feel to be better on my TXL so it does get fished quite a bit more. I also have a 3WT, two 5WT rods and a 9WT; I don't fish them too often mostly in the winter time when I am forced (due to the regs) to fish large waters. I know I posted a report here showing some ok sized browns that I caught on the 000WT. Honestly it was only the second time I ever nymphed under an indicator with that rod. Yes I was able to do it but it was not the most pleasurable way to fish that rod. I did it because I specifically wanted to see what a 20" brown felt like on the rod. Most of the time when I fish that specific river I will use a 3WT or even a 5WT (or the spare 4 my buddy brings). Not because the smaller rods can't handle the fish but because it is easier to chuck lead with them. The fish in that river mostly feed subsurface so the 3 and a 5 are my usual go to rod there. For me it really isn't a matter of ok I fish my 000WT for fish from X to XX inches then move to my 1 for XX to XXX inches and so on. I pick the rod based on what I want to do that day. If I am chucking lead I usually grab the 3. If I am fishing my preferred type of water I grab the 000 or the 1. If I am fishing large waters for large fish or if I am chucking large streamers I will grab my 5. If I am going salmon fishing I grab the 9. The bottom line is get what YOU like. If you feel that a 000WT rod will enhance your fishing experience get one. If you just want one get one. But ultimately you need to decide what would be the best tool for the fishing that you like to do. I would go cast one and see what you think. In addition I noticed that someone offered to let you try the 00WT (there is not a ton of differences in the two rods) I would jump all over it and see if it for you. Hope this helped you a bit if you have any specific questions feel free to ask me.
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Zenkoanhead.clarksclassicfl... |
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John. The "Rod test" thread should be helpful. Don
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jcbff |
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The Rod Test is very insightful. This is a hands on review without the manufacturer's gloss. It seems that several folks are starting to write these kinds
of reviews ,( you, Jerry, and Sasha included), that help others make informed decisions. FishingHiker even suggested that I might want to consider a TXL in a 4
wt., even though he is offering a good deal on a 00 and a 3 wt. over in the classifieds. Thanks Guys! John
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Buckhead |
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I say, go for it. No, there isn't much difference between the 000 and the 1. I have a TXL 00 and a SPL 1 weight. Love them both and go back and forth
between the two. I rarely use anything heavier anymore, except for a 3 weight every now and then. I can't see many situations where you could make a
strong case that one would be better than the other. For me, the 00 weight rig is lighter weight, but that is about it. It will be a daily debate for you.
You will never be able to justify it, just get it and don't look back. |
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jdub |
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John, if you were to pick up either of those rods from FishingHiker and then decided, for whatever reason, that it wasn't the rod for you, it certainly
wouldn't be a problem getting your money back out of it :-)
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robgcp |
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Buckhead wrote:I like the way this fellow thinks.... ....Rob
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David Gale |
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I am new to the UL fly rod world but am fast discovering, of all fly fishing I've done, it is the most addicting approach to the sport. Most fishing I do
is for large trout and bass in area lakes and rivers. 5-6 wt rods have been my main artillery. I do love to hit high mountain creeks and streams for wild
trout in the summer and fall. The new UL rod might double as a small duty bass and trout rod while fishing from my pontoon. Tiny Brookies fascinate me. I
knew I needed a tiny rod. I bought a Cabelas Three Forks 7.5' 3wt. Just as soon as I unwrapped it, I knew it was too much rod for what I wanted it for
and promply sold it to a co worker unused. Recently I bought a 7.5' LST 2wt and feel this rod, while faster than I wanted fits some applications perfectly
but not small stream duties. I recently received a wonderful little rod in the mail...one of Don't Banty rods 4'4" 3wts all done up in honey
colored Bamboo with the smallest fly reel I've ever seen. Enough power for pulling foot long fish from under willows, yet still fun for playing 6"
brookies.
At first, I was like you, I wanted a sub zero rod. Sage's TXL o,oo,ooo rods are masterpieces, but they have one drawback for me, they are too long and too fast. The more I get into this passion and try to sort it all out in my head, I am finding only Glass and Boo rods will do. I need one more rod. I need a good 6-6.5 foot job that will work a number of situations, but that rod will still need to be in the 3 wt range. Idaho just has some bigger fish in pools where you thought you might only catch a 6" fish. So instead of spending big bucks for a sub zero Sage, I will save and spring for another Boo rod and add a very nice reel. Now, if I were very rich, I would just buy one of every fly rod made, ever made or will be made, no matter how usefull they might be. |
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jcbff |
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I hear what you're saying David I recently acquired a 6' 9" 4 wt. from Don. It is the lightest and best casting rod I own. Come to think of it,
maybe a Don built, sub 7 foot, staggered feruled 2 wt. should be in my future? John
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David Gale |
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jcbff wrote:Yep, Don does them up right. I think I need two rods from him, a 6 foot and around a 7 foot rod. The 6 foot can be a 2-3 wt. but for the 7 footer, I would like an honest 4wt. This will be my midge rod for early spring and Small Mouth Bass come summer. I don't know anything about 'staggered ferules' What are they and what do they do? |
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Zenkoanhead.clarksclassicfl... |
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Hey David, there was a good thread on staggereds awhile back if you want to catch up. Ask John to comment on his new one. I just came from the lawn where I was
testing my new 2 weight graphite blank. I like it 2 inches shorter in the butt and with a 1 weight line. It will be built as a 6.3, looks like. The line
selection may change with the guides on though. Don
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jdub |
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Zenkoanhead wrote:That just goes to show you can't tell much by wiggling the blank. When you showed me that blank the other day I would have sworn it was going to be a 3 wt. |
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Zenkoanhead.clarksclassicfl... |
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Me too. But it tip casts a much lighter line. May be another one size fits all rod. Don
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